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MMS: No Need to Circle the Wagons

It comes as no surprise that the first official response to my latest articles on MMS chemistry would amount to a circling of the wagons, as though I had attacked the Doctrine. Given what I’ve learned recently, I am saying that Chlorine Dioxide, or ClO2 should indeed be avoided, and IS being avoided when MMS that contains no sodium chlorate is used. Given what I’ve learned, I am also saying that MMS that is free of sodium chlorate is a formulation that avoids or minimizes ClO2 exposure, hastening the natural cascade that leads to the production of ClO2– and Cl-.

If there is no sodium chlorate in the MMS, there would be no issues with the FDA, due to the particular ClO2species that is produced.

This doesn’t make me a critic, or even critical of either MMS or Jim Humble. However, he’s taking it as though I am. After signing up to follow me on Twitter (@phaelosopher), then leaving a long comment in the thread Rethinking MMS: A Cell’s Eye View this morning, he sent me this personal message. I’m sure that Grant will have his own take on this, but I will comment below as I feel it appropriate.

Adam,

You and Grant just ignored my last email a couple of months ago. Now you have put out reams of junk. You have just bought everything Grant has said hook line and sinker. Sodium Chlorite has been being used in the US for 80  years and has have(?) very little effect on health.

While I didn’t ignore it, it might as well had been so, since I didn’t reply to Jim’s last email, sent a few weeks ago. However, after receiving his email I wrote and published MMS: No Desire for Drama, Just Beneficial Results (09/20/2012). I’ve listened to Grant more than anyone connected with this idea would have been willing to, or have the temerity to publish without first seeking permission. Grant told me this morning that he attempted to contact Jim directly well over a year ago, but did not receive a response. His knowledge of biochemistry and biophysics is far deeper than mine, or what anyone would expect from a layman, but he has not tried to “tell” me anything. Instead, he has shown me where the information is that supports or explains what he’s saying. It’s buried in scholarly papers and scientific databases, and are on point to the application, i.e., biochemistry; not general commercial or industrial uses.

I told you that chlorite is not yellow.  You just chose to ignore that fact. Chlorine dioxide gas is yellow or yellowish green and it is yellow when dissolved in water. Chlorite is not colored in water and definitely it is not yellow. And if it actually kills pathogens it is not by blowing a hole in the side of pathogens. For a year and a half I had a dark field microscope and you could see that the pathogens were killed by destruction of the outer layer of the pathogen.

The yellow color may not be conclusive proof that chlorine dioxide (ClO2), is in the water. It can come from a number of other minerals, including dissolved organic carbon. We also know that the ClO2 molecule REMAINS in the water, however as ClO2-. Something is different about that molecule beyond the minus sign, which determines or affects its behavior. The chemicals selected to generate the ClO2 determine what the species, and as such, the differences in its behavior are.

If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that chlorite not being yellow in water is proof that it’s not there. Yet, every document that I’ve read on the subject states that ClO2 becomes ClO2-, which becomes Cl-. Every document I’ve read refers to ClO2– as “chlorite.”

Sir Humphrey Davy

None of the usual commercial sources of chlorine dioxide information, such as Lenntech and The Sabre Companies are concerned with preparing a solution for human intake. Their recipes are different. They use sodium chlorate as well as sodium chlorite. In 1814, Sir Humphrey Davy used potassium chlorate and sulfuric acid. I’ve found around 11 different recipes for generating the chlorine dioxide molecule. Each one produces its own unique species, with unique properties.

 

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Here’s an example of a commercial recipe.

If all Chlorine Dioxide are the same, then why isn’t MMS produced with the same compounds that Lenntech and Sabre use, just scaled down to smaller proportions? That would make sense if all ClO2 were the same.

I don’t care how you decided on the MMS formula. Whether by happenstance or not, we’re saying that independent scientific research, starting with Cornford, et. al, in 1971, affirms that you chose a recipe that is right for the application. The people who studied the properties of that particular species of chlorine dioxide have confirmed that the switch from a highly reactive ClO2 to to a highly therapeutic ClO2– state, happens in less than 1/2 second. Apparently, the ClO2 last longer in other species.

The benefit of acknowledging this distinction is to be able to cite independent proof that the FDA’s assertions of MMS harm, (i.e., “potent bleach”), are specious. Given their motives and mindset, the people who run the agency are likely to change their position, so it makes sense to inform The People, to give them greater confidence to use MMS in these the times of change.

You can draw all the pictures of all the things in the pathogen you want, but the kill is by blowing a hole in the side of the pathogen.  That has been proven time and again with dark field microscopes. I had one of the most expensive dark field microscopes that money can buy at my use for a year and a half in Mexico. And that is what I saw. LENNTEK has been using chlorine dioxide to kill pathogens for 50  years.  Their chemical technology is not surpassed by Grant.

What do you or anyone care about where “the kill” actually happens? Why would this need to be the litmus test of what is “right?” “Conclusion by microscope” is problematic for what you don’t see, in this case, the cellular dynamics inside the body, before and after MMS intake.

I just learned that cells exhale carbon dioxide (CO2) after taking in Cl-. With up to 100 trillion cells, it’s no wonder that we let out ClO2.when we exhale. Conclusions are based both on what we look for, and what we overlook. I acknowledge having overlooked cellular dynamics for the five years I’ve been around this story, since it has never been mentioned. And yet, it’s the most exciting one.

The bottom-line for me is that MMS can and should help hundreds of millions more than the 10 million that have discovered and tried it in the past five years. And as more people awaken to the HeLa cell attack we’ve been under for 60 years, they’ll want it even more. But it’s got to be the right formulation.

What do you two think you are proving anyway?  You should join Silver Fox and make another hundred people be afraid to use MMS. Do you think I haven’t restudied the subject time and again?  Well you are wrong because I have.  EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE GOING ABOUT IT ALL WRONG.  You are scaring people and that means there will be some that go on suffering.

It’s not a matter of what you studied, but where you looked. I searched the same sites as you for my chlorine dioxide education, but they were commercial applications. If you found one like this example, you might think twice:

Detoxification of chlorine dioxide (ClO2) by ascorbic acid in aqueous solutions: ESR studies

Abstract

Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) which was easily prepared from dissolving sodium chlorite (NaClO2) in acidic aqueous solutions can oxidize l-ascorbic acid (AsA) to give the short-lived intermediate, ascorbic acid free radical (AFR). The detection of the ascorbate radical was made by using the electron spin resonance (ESR) spectroscopy coupled with a rapid-mixing flow technique which enabled us to detect radicals having a life-time of 5–100 ms at room temperature. This result indicates that the ascorbic acid becomes a suitable reagent for detoxification of the ClO2, which is remaining in drinking water, in the living body.1 Ozawa, Kwan

The above study was published in the Feb 1987 edition of Water Research. It both supports and confirms the assertion that it is possible to detoxify of ClO2 with a mind toward human consumption or use.

How many people do you think the folk at the FDA have made afraid of MMS with its generalized and inappropriate warning of its “danger?” Why are you trying to raise money for a “legal defense” fund? Why does he fear for his family? Could it be that focusing solely on the “kill” properties of a generic ClOovershadows a more remarkable, but unexamined natural process that occurs when a specific ClO2 species is formulated?

If it could be shown that there is no real danger of chlorine dioxide exposure by using MMS, due to the particular species that is being formulated, and said non-toxicity has been proven via independent scientific study, wouldn’t that remove the need to circle the wagons and go into “defend” mode at the drop of a hat?

I am not a critic of you nor MMS. Simple fact is that I was open to learn more from someone more knowledgeable than me on the subject, in order to perpetuate and build on what you started. IF this new interpretation is correct, which the research suggests that it is, it will take away a huge excuse that naysayers, including “naturopathic types,” have offered about MMS. It would accelerate growth.

The fact is MMS makes a good bleach and I have bleached a lot of cotton with it and then used it to cure diseases from the same bottle after the bleach was accomplished.  DO YOU GET IT, THE SAME BOTTLE THAT BLEACHED COTTON ALSO WE CURED DISEASES WITH IT.  TIME AND AGAIN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS I’VE DONE THAT.  HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET AROUND THAT?

Yes Jim, I get it. Why don’t you mix up some sodium chlorate, and hydrochloric acid in an MMS bottle. It will produce chlorine dioxide, but do you want to use it on humans? All chlorine dioxides are not the same, nor do they behave the same chemically. You chose one that helps miracles happen. However, you’re presenting it in such a way that gives some people reasonable doubt. I am bringing this up to remove doubt… to help people be clear what will and will not help them.

I would ignore you guys except you are doing vast damage to MMS and if anyone that is sick decides not to use it because of you then you have caused suffering and maybe death.  I’m the expert on MMS and yet you go to someone who probably hasn’t healed a single person.  And he is going to tell you that he can use MMS2 to heal cancer and in many cases he cannot.  I’ve healed a thousand cancer cases if  you count those over the phone and email.  YOU WERE A HELP AT FIRST, BUT NOW YOU ARE DOING MORE DAMAGE AND PROBABLY YOU WILL CANCEL THE GOOD THAT YOU DID BEFORE THIS IS OVER.

Each is responsible for his or her actions and inactions. I am comfortable with mine. I saw value in you and your work, and have not changed. MMS use should be expanded. However, the science needs to be shored up, such as

  • by acknowledging, embracing, and citing existing scientific findings,
  • demonstrating an understanding of ClO2 species,
  • specifying that ALL MMS shall be sodium chlorate free (28% solution for 80% and 23% solution for pure sodium chlorite),
  • emphasizing that with the reagent the solution is detoxified,
  • moving away from the pathogen “kill” story and giving credit to the restored cell
  • consider returning to the 10% reagent and the 5:1 ratio.

If you had been willing to listen to Grant when he contacted you directly, perhaps the reasons behind why these suggestions are helpful would have been seen and this exchange wouldn’t  unnecessary.

All three of us agree on two things;

  1. You da man, and
  2. MMS is valuable and its use should be expanded.

Whether or not you agree on how I am going about doing it, Grant and I both honor you for what you have done, and the many yet to be helped by MMS.

It dawns on me.  Become a MMS advocate and then all of a sudden find terrible things wrong.  People are more likely to believe you were an advocate at first.  Being a critic of MMS might pay better and get you better known, but it generates karma that must be paid. If you keep this up, I will explain to the world.

Jim

I hope I’ve made it clear to you that I am not a “critic,” yet you’re free to see things as you will. No one is “paying” me to present this viewpoint, as has been the case for the over 100 articles that I’ve written on MMS over the past five years. I am part of why 10 million people have chosen to use it. MMS will not “win” a fight with the FDA by claiming that chlorine dioxide is the central killer in its work. By looking beyond pathogen killing and exploring cellular restoration, which has been proven to apply, the “dangerous” label could be transcended altogether.

Respectfully,

Adam…

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25 Thoughts to “MMS: No Need to Circle the Wagons”

  1. cb

    Sounds like Mr. Humble has not read all Adam’s writings.

    Is this the Lenntech in quaetion? http://www.lenntech.com/index.htm Looks like they would now something about water purity.

  2. grant

    Jim. My comment about Humble’s financial goals is but an example of how easily one can be attacked in these blogs. The goal, FOR ME, is to (1) HAVE ALL PEOPLE PULL TOGETHER! (2) HAVE ALL PEOPLE LIVE IN GOOD HEALTH. (3) KICK THE PHARMA CONSPIRACY TO THE BLOODY CURB. About Humble? Yeah, I know that I mentioned a few things that were tasteless. But, did I have an evil motive? Not hardly. The research-based FACT which I had been providing with regard to the detoxification of the sodium chlorite/mild acid-produced free radical didn’t seem to matter to Humble. Instead of CELEBRATING that research, Humble attacked me. Hmmm…

    Makes me wonder about several things. Think about that. There are 99,000 papers written and peer reviewed about the hazards of chlorine dioxide. I, after ten damn years of looking at Clorine dioxide, discover THE ONE NIOSH document which PROVES BEYOND ANY DOUBT, that there is ZERO toxicity in the Chlorite Matrix, Then, I find 8 other papers published from 1971 forward, which PROVE the same thing.

    Then, I’m supposed to beg Humble’s PERMISSION to publish that? Why would that be?

    And, that begs the most important question. ONE word; LENTECH. These guys are supposed to be the JUICE on Chlorine Dioxide. Right? That is exactly what Humble repeatedly states. Can it be possible that Lentech knows NOTHING about the detoxification of the Chlorite Matrix- produced Chlorine Dioxide? NOT HARDLY! Where is Lentech, what is Lentech, and who OWNS Lentech?

    Think about that.

  3. Jim

    I remember reading Jim Humble’s first book in which a sizable portion was devoted to how he had been ripped off, stolen from, and persecuted for bringing his discovery to an ungrateful world. Sadly, I believe those stories were probably accurate, and they may be key in Jim’s response to any review of MMS Chemistry.

    My sense is, perhaps there is a “victim mentality” in play with Jim that causes him to “circle the wagons” without considering the merits of any suggestions or commentary, etc regarding “His” introduction of MMS to the world. That doesn’t diminish his contribution it just makes him human.

    Adam, because of you and your communications of Grant’s information and comments. I have stopped using an earlier supply of MMS because it cannot be verified as Sodium Chlorate free and am now using a source that claims to be Sodium Chlorate free. To me that is a big deal.

    I began using MMS mainly because of your objective reporting on Jim Humble, I then became impressed with his mission to bring health and healing with MSS. So, your willingness to take another (objective) look at the MSS Chemistry without demeaning the discoveries, or character of Jim Humble is to be commended.

    I never got past (or over) 🙂 basic high school chemistry, so much of your information goes over my head but I await more information that will help me use MMS in a more effective and safe way.

    Regards.
    Jim

    1. grant

      Jim. Your comment has truly caught my attention. The reference to Humble’s thoughts on being “ripped off” by that “ungrateful world” will clearly define the individual’s goals and expectation. Clearly, those interested in personal gain will present comments in that way.

      I’m not interested in the money from this stuff. If I DID HAVE MONEY, I would have the pure version “assembly lined” directly into the hands of the people, FOR FREE. That means ALL PEOPLE on earth.

      I do the research simply because SOMEONE HAS TO. Someone has to step up.

      1. Jim

        Grant, My comments were of course my interpretation of Jim’s stories of incidents told in his book. I can’t pretend to know his thoughts…only my feelings regarding his writing. As my comments were purely speculation I prefer to give Jim Humble the benefit of doubt as to his primary motivations. Thanks again for your work.

    2. Axe

      I’ve been wondering if my MMS is free of Sodium Chlorate as well, Is there any way of knowing? I got mine from this place:
      http://www.mms-healthyliving.com/
      Are they reputable?
      Also looking into getting a countertop water distiller. Cheers and Thanks.

    3. I think you arguments and view are well put. I appreciate and respect your integrity and work on behalf of MMS and Jim Humble. I was introduced and learned of MMS via your site. I use and follow the MMS story with great and appreciative interest. More information and knowledge of its use and application will always be of benefit. Thanks so much. Henry Gonzalez

  4. Johnny

    Hi Adam,
    re:consider returning to the 10% reagent and the 5:1 ratio

    Could you explain the reasons for considering this? Perhaps I missed the discussion on it but I do not recall hearing anything about returning to the 5:1 ratio….

    Thank you!

    1. grant

      In order for the cell’s Krebs cycle to function properly, a certain amount of CLEAN, PURE WATER is required. This is CRITICAL, and the lack of that same quality water is the FIRST issue that can possibly end life. Also, one must look at the early works regarding the Chlorite Matrix. The most successful reagent was set at 10% mild acid(s) with PURE distilled water, and the Sodium Chlorite base was set at 23% PURE Sodium ChlorITE with PURE distilled water.

      Don’t use any Ozone-treated water FOR ANYTHING, PERIOD!

      1. What is the rational for not using ozone treated water for anything. I’m a fan of MC CABE AND OXYGEN THERAPIES. where can I get this info? thanks Henry Gonzalez
        ?

      2. grant

        Henry. Begin with Ozone, and know this. The Ozone kills ALL CELLS. It doesn’t target the unhealthy cells, and the is NO WAY of instructing Ozone to be selective, Look at the math. One in 10,000 cells NATURALLY develops in the wrong way, but as there is more and more HeLa attacking healthy human cells, the % of unhealthy cells involved will be considerably higher. The Ozone, before it has become Potassium Bromate (KBrO3 PB), kills 9,999 healthy cells for each single unhealthy cell. That number changes as the HeLa mitosis attack numbers also change. Look closely at EXACTLY what Ozone CAN ATTACK. There are no publications stating that Ozone kills HeLa cells, but there are COUNTLESS papers stating that Ozone kills HEALTHY HUMAN CELLS, as well as the UNHEALTHY HUMAN CELLS. What else does the Ozone do?

        Ozone interacts with both Sodium Bromide ions and Potassium Bromide ions to produce further chemistry. The Sodium interaction is harmless, but the Potassium Bromide ion interaction produces the DEADLY KBrO2(PB), which is classed as a Carcinogen, Mutagen, and more recently, a Neurotoxin. The KBrO3(PB) is even more deadly to your DNA than the HELa cell. That is because the KBrO3(PB) attacks ALL DNA, while the HeLa Cell Lateral Gene Transfer attacks only the Maternal DNA. That HeLa cell lateral gene transfer will attack the non-maternal DNA ONCE IT IS BROKEN DNA.

        The issue of Ozone interacting with the Potassium Bromide ions has been understood since the mid 1980’s. Why don’t people know about it? And, in light of that knowledge, WHY DO THE IDIOTS USE OZONE as a water treatment?

        As for removing KBrO3(PB) from water, that IS MOSTLY POSSIBLE, but even with distillation, some will be present.

        Remember that the Potassium Bromide ions are present in ALL WATER, and that includes the water that is IN YOUR BODY.

        Stay away from Ozone.

      3. Johnny

        I know the best distilled water is the water I make myself but right now the only distilled I have is POLAND SPRING. Anyone know if they ozone it? It does not say anything about ozone on the jug…

  5. sarah

    Adam, I’ve followed your postings for the last couple of years, and though I am very interested in what you have to say, the fact is, my mind really does not wrap around all this chemistry no matter how hard I try. And so lately I’ve been getting more confused rather than less. I have NaClO2 and powdered citric acid, each of which I mix with hot water and then store separately. Then I mix the same number of drops of each together, let it sit for 3 minutes, put it in zero vitamin C juice and drink it. According to your current understanding, and please, as simply as possible, is this the healthiest way to use MMS? And if not, what would you recommend I do differently?

    One thing I do understand: You care intensely about humanity, and work diligently to improve our health and our hope. And you still think MMS – or whatever one calls the solution – is the real deal, when used correctly.

  6. Axe

    Thank You Adam and Grant for providing clarity about MMS (Among other things). Hopefully Mr. Humble will come around to see your intentions. Also intrigued with you Photonic Water videos! Cheers!!

  7. Hi Adam
    Thank you again for your work and also thank to Grant. I have used MMS for a couple of years with good results and always want to learn more about this compound. I have read all your MMS articles and watch your DVDs, and I am convinced of your good intentions to bring knowledge instead of blind faith. I know this is a difficult work, because the human mind time to time forgets the path of knowledge/wisdom and starts walking in the path of believe systems and blind faith.

    This year as many others, I was introduced to CDS. It sounds quite good and I learned how to prepare it and also gave it a try once. However, I wish I had a friend like Grant who can tell me more about CDS, because I have a LOT of questions about CDS. That is the reason why I am not using it and I will not recommended it until I get more information. You and Grant have the mind set necessary to analyse the CDS and I would like to know your opinion and result of your investigation.

    Based on my experience, I also concluded that we :
    – should move away from the pathogen “kill” story and giving credit to the restored cell
    – consider returning to the 10% reagent and the 5:1 ratio

    Human beings have to leave the path of believe systems and walk the path of knowledge, experience, and finally Wisdom.

    Regards.

    1. grant

      Northvortex. Nice comment. Look at the CDS issue through consideration of the earlier Chlorite Matrix publications. Summing up, the Chlorite Matrix MUST BE CREATED from pure Sodium Chlorite, with no other molecules present IF THE GOAL IS the reproduction of the published results. If the early methods and ingredients are followed, there is no doubt that the CDS is completely safe. If Sodium Chlorate is present, safety becomes an issue.

      About the pathogen “kill” story. Don’t be so quick to discard that. Just discard the idea of ClO2 gas accomplishing that process, because IF ONLY THE SODIUM CHLORITE IS REACTED, there is no ClO2- AS A GAS. Look closer at the cell’s Elemental Decay-produced electrical energy firing process as the vehicle.

      1. Hi Grant,
        I think the ClO2 is relatively stable when dissolved in water, as I read in several places.
        1- Jim’s process creates the ClO2 under water, the water from the MMS solution (over 70% water) and the water from the citric acid solution (90% or 50% water depending on the mix you use).
        That’s why the mix takes the yellow color of ClO2 gas, and becomes stronger after time, becoming brown in color when more ClO2 is dissolved in the mix.
        Then this ClO2 stays in water when we fill the glass with water, after the activation period, it just becomes more diluted.
        Then still dissolved in water when it reaches the stomach acids, and still dissolved in the blood’s watery part.
        So don’t you think that some unbroken ClO2 makes its way right into the body ?
        2- Of course on the surface of the mix in activation, some ClO2 is created and brakes immediately in contact with the air above the mix. That’s where the chlorine odor comes from, ClO2 breaking in Cl and O2.
        We can notice also the creation of a fine mist that rises up above the mix in activation. This might be due to the strong reaction happening, and this mist is certainly composed of water + ClO2 + unreacted acid + unreacted NaCl + 02 and Cl gases …
        We can consider that some of the ClO2 trapped in these micro drops will be released when contacting the skin and that’s why it is working so well as disinfecting wounds with Jim’s method of using directly the gas from the activation.
        I think Jim doesn’t know about the cell enhancement approach you discovered, but that the direct action of ClO2 on pathogen can’t be denied.
        MMS just does both things IMHO !
        I am very interested in DCA and will read about it, because it could be a third factor in MMS positive action !!
        So many things more to learn, never ending adventure :o)
        Thanks for sharing your discoveries Grant !!!

      2. Hi Grant,
        I just found a text that says that ClO2 in water reacts to form chlorite ions that are soluble, so Jim’s yellow liquid, MMS1 or CDS, might be chlorite ions ClO2- in solution and not chlorine dioxide gas ClO2.
        It make sens, but it implies that the ions have the same yellow color as the gas.
        May be ClO2 doesn’t exist but is used a a general term. It’s either ClO2- chlorite, or ClO2+ chloryl.
        Could it be to hide that ClO2+, an anion that seems to easily compound with nasty stuff, like chloryl fluoride (FClO2) or chloryl fluorosulfate, ClO2SO3F, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloryl
        Could it be the agent that helps carrying the fluoride inside the cell for better damages ?!
        Quote from http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp160-c1.pdf
        “Chlorine dioxide is a very reactive compound. In air, sunlight quickly breaks chlorine dioxide
        apart into chlorine gas and oxygen. In water, chlorine dioxide reacts quickly to form chlorite
        ions. When chlorine dioxide reacts with dissolved organic compounds in water-treatment
        systems, it forms disinfection by-products, such as chlorite and chlorate ions.”
        I am caught in the search now !! exciting !!

  8. …”I’m the expert on MMS and yet you go to someone who probably hasn’t healed a single person…”

    OK, seriously, JIM, In Jamaica, there’s a saying: COME DOWN OFF THE POMPS AND PRIDE!

    IT IS ABSOLUTELY LOATHSOME to see you saying what you are to Adam. YOU ARE CARRYING ON LIKE A PETULANT CHILD! SOUNDS TO ME AS A PERSON TRYING TO USE A FEAR TACTIC ANALOGY RATHER THAN PERSUASIVE REASONING OF THE KIND THAT I HAVE SEEN HERE ON THIS SIGHT.

    YOU, JIM, STATED IN THE ORIGINAL DVD THAT YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR AND NOT A SCIENTIST, BUT AN INVENTOR. DO YOU THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO CONSIDER USING MMS WAIT FOR FORTHCOMING INFORMATION FROM YOU ALONE OR SOMEONE ONLY YOU FIND TO CORROBORATE??? EVEN IF ANY NEW FINDINGS BRING ALARM TO ANYONE, THE NATURE OF WHAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW IS NOT SOMETHING THAT REPELS, BUT ATTRACTS, DON’T YOU SEE ?

    THE FLOODGATES OF KNOWLEDGE ARE OPENING NOW! SHOW THE PEOPLE THE RESPECT OF BEING ABLE TO GATHER THE INFORMATION AND PROCESS IT! I SUPPORT ADAM AND GRANT AS SUPPORTERS OF YOUR INVENTION AND EFFORTS, AS I SUPPORT UNNAMED PEOPLE FROM MY OWN ASSCOCIATIONS WHO LOOK INTO AND ADD TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF MMS. (AND BTW, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN LISTENING HAVE HEARD GRANT SPEAK OF HIS OWN HEALING FROM MMS).

    ARE YOU GOING TO RANT AT ME BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO JOE SHMOE THE DOCTOR/CHEMIST/BIOLOGIST AND HE/SHE DECIDES TO TELL TWO PEOPLE ABOUT OUR CONVERSATION OR EVEN WRITE IT UP ON HIS/HER BLOG WHILE ADDING HIS TWO SENSE WHICH REFLECTS HIS OWN EXPERIENCES, YET CHALLENGES A COUPLE OF POINTS AND YET AGAIN SUPPORTS THE OVERALL PREMISE OF THIS PRODUCT? THAT WOULD BE UNWISE, METHINKS.

    ALSO, IS GRANT THE LAST STOP AND LORD OF MMS?

    OF COURSE NOT. THIS IS AND SHALL CONTINUE TO BE A COMMON EFFORT BY EVERYONE.

    YOU HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD HERE THAT THE NATURE OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HEALS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RELEGATED TO ONE INDIVIDUALS CHANNEL, EVEN IF THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO SCRAP AND/OR REWRITE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE THUS WRITTEN ABOUT MMS, THAT WOULD BE SHOWING HEART AND AUTHENTICITY WHILE SQUASHING THE DETRACTORS WHO ACCUSE YOU, JIM, OF BEING A CHARLATAN WHO IS IN IT FOR THE MONEY!!!! DO YOU GET THAT??????

    IF ANYTHING HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM USING MMS FOR IT’S GREAT BENEFITS, IT WOULD BE YOUR RESPONSES!

    and I WILL REPEAT THAT, YES –

    IF ANYTHING HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM USING MMS FOR IT’S GREAT BENEFITS, IT WOULD BE YOUR RESPONSES !!!!!

    THAT’S ME TALKIN – RHEDDA J, WHO IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS

  9. Hello and thanks for such insights Adam and Grant.
    My question is : In your opinion, what is the element that kills fungus when we spray Jim’s activated MMS1 or CDS on it, and what kills bacteria when we put them in contact with Jim’s mix ?
    In both of those cases it’s not a matter of helping the human cell, it is something that oxidize the pathogens.
    Is it a chlorite ClO2-, or a chloryl ClO2+, or the ClO2 gas during its extremely short live ? (wiki chlorite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorite (shows several oxi-states), chloryl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloryl)
    Or is it the DCA ?
    Lots of new stuff to learn !!

    1. grant

      Jules, one thing at a time. Write this out as an abstract based upon research. What are the goals?
      First, you need to determine what occurs during the formation of the first “chlorite matrix” which is known as Dicloroacetic acid. How is it produced from Chloroacetic acid, and what other, if any, related molecules are produced. does the DCA require detoxification, and if so, what is used how.
      Is the NEXT chlorite matrix produced by Sarin et al related to the DCA? How so? What exactly is the next chlorite matrix, and what are the ingredients and processes? Can it be produced through more than one chemical process, or is it’s chemistry exclusive?
      What processes and base materials are used to produce the required Sodium Chlorite, and is there another sodium produced? What is sodium chlorate, and how is it related to the sodium chlorite? Why is PURE sodium chloride required for the production of both the sodium chlorite and the sodium chlorate?
      Why is it written (pre 2002 NIOSH) that potable water can be cleaned ONLY WITH SODIUM CHLORITE reacted with CITRIC OR ACETIC ACIDS? What occurs during that mild acid reagent-caused detoxification?

      Start with this. Do the work. Do the research.

      Jules, keep your eye on the bouncing ball. The process is far simpler than you can imagine. Start your journey on the RIGHT path. That path involves PURE Sodium Chlorite, PURE mild acid, and PURE distilled, non-ozone-treated water.

      1. Thanks Grant for your input :o) I am hyper-reactive sometimes and need to slow myself down and take time to ponder first :o)
        One comment comes to me now : in Jim’s MMS1, there is little sodium chlorate present (<1%) as described here http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprnt+refs.htm.
        All manufacturers have offered such quality of sodium chlorite for MMS1 since the beginning.
        Aa all the successful health reports come from the use of this 'low' grade NaClO2, does this imply that DCA isn't produced in Jim's MMS1, because of this sodium chlorate ?
        If this is the case, then chlorite ion or ClO2 would be the active ingredients, isn't it ?
        cheers, JT

      2. I wish I could edit my posts here … because I said so many stupid things. After reading the page above I find all answers ahahaha
        sorry again, no need to reply my posts, I didn’t read all the data before posting.
        cheers, JT

      3. grant

        Jules. Read my “one thing at a time” comment again. It is intentionally worded in ways to cause further questions, but questions regarding ORIGINS. Remember the Chlorite – Chlorate deal? How, and though which processes, do we get the Sodium Chlorite?

        You have to look at Electrochemistry to find that answer. The electrolysis of the PURE, pharma grade sodium chloride is next. You will find that there are TWO electrolysis processes involved in order to get the PURE sodium chlorite. The first process involves (if you do this at home) pyrex type glass pot of suitable size, 3 liters water, half cup PURE sodium chloride, one 9volt battery ( a fresh battery for EACH electrolysis), two pieces of 18 gauge insulated copper wire 40 cm long, and two suitable pieces of solid carbon (C or D cell flashlight battery cores are good one they are cleaned). This produces the sodium chlorate AND sodium chlorite which must be further separated via a second electrolysis which is basically the same, except for the use of Platinum wire as both the electrode and anode. DO THIS OUTDOORS, and DON’T BREATH THE GAS WHICH IS PRODUCED as this process occurs over the next 16 hours.

        The second electrolysis takes less (6 hours) time, and you will begin with 4? ounces of the original brine and ALL of the flake material which you have coffee filtered out of the original brine. Use a suitable glass container.

        Do these processes OUT OF SUNLIGHT.

        Do the research now. Learn how this works, and above all, KNOW how to SAFELY deal with the small amount of sodium chlorite which is produced.

        Do these things, and soon you will become aware of everything involved.

        THIS IS WHERE YOU START.

  10. wyatt ward

    ok Adam I have been following this through your Thought for Food since my first email to you I realize you are not attacking anyone I thought you were saying Jim was wrong but now realize your are supporting the true safety of mms and I don’t get why Jim has taking offence to you or what you are trying to do for the good of mms GOOD JOB HOSS

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